Ancient Family Origins


Research is still required to determine any connection between the ancient Gwynnedd line and our line.

This page provides links to further understand what the Gwynnedd line is.

Perhaps, some day, our relationship (if there is any) to Wales will be correctly defined.

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Advice to Cousins
Wynne Mythtakes

It has not been determine that our Winn line is descended from the noble line documented by Sir John Wynne of Gwydir (the first Prince of Wales?) in the 15th Century. This Knight and 1st Baronet of Gwydir established direct lineage back to Owain Gwynedd (b. 1100), a member of the House of Aberffraw--a descendant of the senior branch from Rhodri Mawr.

Ancient Gwynnedd genealogy, as documented in Sir John Wynne's history, is carved in stone and placed in the Gwydir Chapel by his son Sir Richard Wynne, who built the chapel to house family heirlooms. Even though carved in stone, its genealogy has been found somewhat lacking in accuracy.

Most attempts to link American Winn lines to the noble Welch line are less than scholarly and lack adequate documentation.

Advice to Winn Cousins

Forget Wales—until you validate your families immigration, connecting to lines in Wales will only confuse your family history. Avoid gray hair by working backwards in time. Drop any expectations—go instead where valid information leads you.

Research your recent ancestry well and completely document each generation. Document significant gaps (records NOT where they should be). Obtain existing records.

In tracking ancestry via DNA, accuracy is wholly subject to the documentation of those with whom you compare your DNA. Since DNA can’t be read directly, the valid ancestry of those tested is still of supreme importance.

Share common records/graphics--those sent to this site will be put online quickly. Digitize and share widely--you won’t loose them this way.

Find out what common cousins have on common ancestry. Search the Internet for a variety of family names and keywords. Perhaps the best online resource would be the WINN-L List serve. They can provide an incredibly wide range of help/references.

Wynne Mythtakes

Certainly not everything in print is correct. In spite of heroic efforts by some historians, known errors persists. As Thomas Paine said:

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason.

In the hope that possibly reason makes more converts with time, a cousin, Myles Johnson has researched errors commonly propagated in this line. I've linked his excellent analysis here (as well as listed it as a source).

1 The History of the Gwydir Family, by Sir John Wynn (1553-1626) - Written in the 1600s. First published in 1770. Republished with Memoirs by Askew Roberts in 1878 using notes found at Winnstay.

The Wynn Family of Gwydir: Origins Growth & Development c.1490-1674 by Prof. J. Gwynfor Jones, pub. 1995.

The best possible history of the Gwydir family. - Robert L. "Larry" Wynne


The History of the Wynn Family of Gwydir by Sir John Wynn

Prof. J. Gwynfor Jones is also the author of the most recent publication of which follows with inclusion of a line by line interpretation of the original text along with a complete Gwydir pedigree chart for three descents from Royal/Noble Welsh chieftains. - Robert L. "Larry" Wynne

4 Wynne Mythtakes & Wynn Winners © Myles Johnson, Washington, DC
5 The Wynn Family of Gwydir - Origins, growth, and development, c.1490-1674: by J. Gwynfor Jones. Published in 1995, Centre for Educational Studies, Faculty of Education, University of Wales (Aberystwyth)